Stumbler, calm yourself, your getting carried away here.

You did not post a single thing relating to the UAW walkout of the Senate committee hearing. Nor did you acknowledge that they did refuse the request of the Senate. Now go take a valium or aspirin or something.


BTW, Tennessee has two major GM plants, one in Spring Hill (former Saturn plant, now Chevy Traverse) and one just across the Kentucky line, Corvette and the Cadillac XLR.

 

Let's try to get real here tenguy because your diversions aren't going to work. For all of this thread you've been saying the UAW refused to make concessions. Now that is simply not true as the many examples I posted above demonstrate.

You're also trying to spin it that when the GOP Senators asked for concessions the UAW walked out. That is also not true on two counts. One the UAW is willing to make concessions. But they were not willing to announce a wage cut there and then. And two it was the GOP Senators, not the UAW, who walked out of the meeting.

It was not a request it was a demand by these handful of GOP senators who demanded the UAW agree then and there to cut their wages to parity to the foreign auto makers. Here is what the UAW leaders said:

Pure strong arm tactics on the part of the GOP Senators and your boy Bob Corker of Tennessee was the leading arm twister.

 

Well are you going to answer my question on how the US automakers can be competitive with the foreign automakers US plants if they don't get the labor rate leveled out???

 

Easy. Allow the UAW to organize in those plants in Kentucky and Tennessee and Alabama.

 

They are free to do so, the workers don't want them, now what???

You see the bitch is that these are "Right to work" states. Except Kentucky, which is a forced union state and where Toyota has survived several UAW attempts to organize their workers.

Once a union gets into a facility in Kentucky, the company would be forced to let the UAW enroll all employees, whether the employee agreed or not.

 

Get ready for 'Toyota shock'



First came the "Sony Shock."
No, not news last week that the consumer-electronics giant is cutting 16,000 jobs - the other shock. For investors, the big one came in April 2003, when shares fell 27% in two days.
Sony's woes may pale in comparison with the still developing ones at Toyota. A "Toyota Shock" may be on the way as the dollar trades around 90 yen and questions abound about a US bailout for Detroit automakers.
The difference this time is that the tough 2009 facing Toyota will be shared by Japan's $US4.4 trillion economy. It's anything but pretty.




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Thought this paragraph from a blog is very insightful, granted that Stumbler might say "inciteful":

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Obama and his unholy alliance are working on the finer details of a $500,000,000,000 stimulus package they want to spoon feed us as soon as he takes office. I never wanted Bush's $600 token. What better way to garner praise and support than by giving America away. We as a nation must suffer nationally and personally in economic terms if we are to get better and no one wants to face that truth. This constant greed from corporations is destroying our country and then them being rewarded or bailed out on the sweat of the future is terrible. Bail me out! Did the taxpayers decide this? no the people representing and being paid by the taxpayers decided this. Think about it for just one moment and you will see the light. being saved by the taxpayers for incompetence is bad business and is as unAmerican as you can get. To all politicians everywhere,

 

I know this seems very simple in tenguy-world...

But you asked a question and I gave you an answer. The fact that obstacles have been thrown up to union organizing in those states is exactly the point. If you want parity, eliminate those obstacles, which were, in and of themselves, enacted as union-busters.

 

Sorry, the reason the rules were enacted was to prevent what is happening in Detroit right now. There are many industries that were shut down by the policies of the Northern states that forced employees to join unions.

But we do thank those states for sending all of the industry down here.
Why does it make sense to force someone to pay dues to a corrupt bunch of mobsters??

 

It's really very simple, tenguy. You don't want unions to be able to organize. You LIKE having barriers to it. And you like employers having the freedom to impose a take-it-or-leave-it approach to their workers. Do you also approve of employers who fire employees suspected of union activism, or subject them to abuse, or discrimination, or sexual harrassment?

Your last sentence told me all I need to know about your attitude toward unions.

 

Really, gee you do think that someone should be forced to join a union. Why is that?

 

I see where president Bush today announced a $17 billion bail out for at least Chrysler and GM (Ford thinks they may be able to survive without it). Some analysts predicted that would see them through until March when the problem will be dropped in Obama's lap. I don't usually compliment Bush but I think this was two good moves. One, keeping the US auto industryy from collapsing, taking possibly millions of more jobs with it, and two, punting the ball to Obama who I believe actually has the intelligence to handle the cirsis.

Not much chance of that Kimiko. In the same report I heard today it was mentioned that the foreign automakers had a very big stake in the GOP walk out so they don't have to compete with UAW wages and benefits. And the real difference is that the foreign auto manufactures haven't been around long enough to have the number of retirees that the US industry does.

And somewhere on here Right to Work states were mentioned. I don't know about other states but it the Right to Work state where I live it is not only nearly impossible to join a Union workers have absolutely no other protections on the job. Low wages would be one thing. But when you can't sue your employer for neglegence, don't have constitutional rights in the work place and can't even sue your employer for lible or slander its something else. In this state your employer can literally kill or injure you with unsafe working conditions and they enjoy absolute immunity under our laws.

That's not Right to Work. That's Right to Kill. (And it happens a lot out where I work).

 

Ugh, everyone against the bailout from the senate just happens to give money to the foreign plants in their home state...not surprising.

Bush isn't doing shit...he's all talk. GM and Chrysler will merge.

 

bush should ask cheney for a loan from halliburton, while he's on a hunting trip.

 

It doesn't. Unions are the biggest joke.

 

As a loyal union member i think your insensitive comment about unions is absolutly, totally, and completely correct. i have to pay my union to "negotiate" my pay and "benefits", even though the industry competition takes care of that. And god forbid i call them about a problem, i had a few friends that filed complaints about not getting overtime, they got paid, then fired. what did the union do? nothing, said it was performance issues, yeah right.

 

Why don't you quit and get a non-union job?

 

Because without that provision, it's nearly impossible for a union to organize a group of workers. It makes it easy for non-members to take advantage of whatever improvements in salary, benefits, and working conditions a union succeeds in obtaining, without having to take any of the risks or pay any dues.

Make no mistake...right-to-work laws were enacted to keep unions out. End of story.

 

I wasn't under any illusions that it was likely to happen....I was just providing a suitably flip answer to tenguy's flip question.